Jd may be wrong but he is following a specific strategy that he believes will help his team with their long term goals. Unless there gonna include Toro and a package for Kimbrell ,I dont get it at all. Where is it written that in a rebuild you cant win or go the the playoffs???? Browse our online application for MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, EPL, or MLS player contracts, salaries, transactions, and more. An updated look at the Seattle Mariners 2023 payroll table, including base pay, bonuses, options, & tax allocations. Our reasoning for presenting offensive logos. With the Seattle Kraken clinching a spot in the playoffs, Brandon Gustafson breaks down the numbers that tell the story of the team's season. February 9, 2023: Canada activated 3B Abraham Toro. Its not like he was trying to troll his own plays or fans. I love me some Dylan Moore, but he is the true definition of a Utility player and Kendall Graveman is a free agent at the end of the season. Seems like a bit of a gut punch to the Mariners players and fans. Servais is OK hes a pretty good manager but Dipoto must GO! It makes us better this year and were going for it. The Astros only have one weakness -their pen, so why would you make them better? He made his major league debut that night versus the Detroit Tigers, . Trending Pages . I think both teams benefit from this trade, just to different degrees and in different ways: Houston is a contender whose weakness was their bullpen. I think youre letting your local coverage and knowledge VASTLY cloud youre understanding of the league as a whole. Dont extend his contract please. In what was billed as a key homestand for the Mariners in their quest to end a 19-year playoff drought, Seattle underwent a roller coaster week at T-Mobile Park as they went 4-3 against a pair of division rivals. I fail to see how this helps the Mariners. Online Sports Database is a digital sports platform with the most This move looks a lot more like selling than buying. Houston radio is saying the same exact stuff right now. He was responsible for some odd transactions when he was GM of the Angels too. High School: Vanier SS (St. Laurent, QC), School: Seminole State College (Seminole, OK), Debut: Graveman and Montero didnt pitch in the final two games of the series against the Mariners, but both Toro and Smith got to play right away against their old club. Not what they meant by go and make some playoff push moves Jerry. Boy that would probably be a first. If you do not allow these cookies we will not know when you have visited our site, and will not be able to monitor its performance. Ten bucks says they get Fry or Scott from the Orioles. 1 spot in NFL Draft impacts the Seahawks. Graveman could have landed some real prospects instead of a future utility guy. With Seager and a prospect or two they could get another SP. Houston Astros selected the contract of 3B Abraham Toro from Round Rock Express. length team amount avg annual salary 2022-2022 Seattle Mariners: $1,350,000 $1,350,000 2021-2021 Seattle Mariners: $2,500,000 $2,500,000 2020-2020 Houston Astros: $573,700 pic.twitter.com/6eDxyfURgy. Salaries from players who have been placed on the injured list, still counting against the payroll. Why not? Jerry DiPoto views players like chess pieces not human beings. They have a lot better shot than the putrid Angels thats for sure! Spent his first full season in the Majors, making his first career OPENING DAY rosterbatted .149 (13x87) with three home runs and nine RBIAppeared in 33 games (19 starts), making 10 starts at 3B, six at DH, two at 1B and one at 2BDrew a walk in his first career POSTSEASON appearance in Game 3 of the ALCS. Also, the Ms have a run differential of -52, so the likelihood of them making it this year is highly unlikely. Maybe Toro took it personal.that all you guys and gals seemed to think he was a nobody. Lots of years left. I like your optimism, and I hope youre right! denotes a buried salary that counts against the payroll. But fans around the country didnt even take notice of him until he got in some post-season games the next year. Jerry still seems like he likes to gamble its just no longer at the High roller tables , good for US-. On August 22, 2019, the Astros selected Toro's contract and promoted him to the major leagues. (Getty). Classic senseless prospect bashing. All rights reserved. But Toro looked like he was turning the corner, so you got a decent 3B there with some pop in his bat. This transaction is just one piece of a puzzle that will come into view by Friday eve. His current contract terms are 1 yr/$1.25M (23). It feels like this is saying the Mariners arent going to try for the wild card this year. Hes playing on a one-year, $1.25MM contract. To see him traded to the division-leading Astros while the two squads are playing one another is downright jarring. When you visit any web site, it may store or retrieve information on your browser, mostly in the form of cookies. 1. a very good relief pitcher having a rough year (will be F.A.) OF Sal Frelick reassigned to Minor League camp. Toro signed a one-year, $1.25 million contract with the Brewers on Friday to avoid arbitration, Robert Murray of FanSided.com reports. Id be willing to bet Sewald is the new Graveman and Steckenrider will sneak in and get saves with Sewald. After completing his collegiate season, selected by the Astros in the fifth round of the draft on June 10signed on June 20 and reported to Rookie Level Greenevilleplayed in 44 games for the Astros, but did not hit a home run. The Astros had to deal Abraham Toro, but got back two relievers in return. So youre giving up 2 months of graveman in a season where, if youre being honest, the teams ceiling is a wild card birth and most likely first round exit. Abraham Toro was born December 20, 1996, in Longueuil, Quebec, Canada. Seattle may seem like longshots for the division (as well as a wild card), but they have one of the weakest strength of schedules remaining and they just proved they can challenge two of the best teams in the league. Does this end Mariners pursuit of Whit Merrifield? Got to look at the big picture. Trading Graveman and Montero for Toro and Smith wasnt the only deal that general manager Jerry Dipoto made on Tuesday, as he also acquired veteran starting pitcher Tyler Anderson from the Pittsburgh Pirates for two prospects. I dont know why people on here always say baseball should take a page out of the NBA. I would love to see that happen. Sewald has stepped up Swanson looks good they think they can get by with the bullpen less the best arm in the pen. Graveman was a workhorse with Oakland. Then I thought about all the moves that have got us to this point in the season. Houston Astros recalled 3B Abraham Toro from Astros Alternate Training Site. He has reconstructed this roster through augmentation to where we are eight games over .500 and contending for the Wild Card without sacrificing or mortgaging the future of this franchise. Ten Games of Toro - Hit .432 (16x37) with 8 runs, 3 doubles, 3 home runs, 6 RBI, 3 walks and 1 stolen base in first 10 games after joining Mariners, getting on-base at a .488 clip, slugging .757 with a 1.245 OPShis .432 batting average ranked 2nd-best through a Mariners players first 10 games in club history (min. The team deserves an explanation., Players arent the best judges of how to run a franchise whatsoever, Id have more of a problem If my GM lent an ear to them than sitting in his office doing his job behind closed doors. They are usually only set in response to actions made by you which amount to a request for services, such as setting your privacy preferences, logging in or filling in forms. I understand trying to make the team better but you dont trade away the leader of your pitching staff and your best relief pitcher at the same time when you have a team that is winning. Most teams 9-10 games above .500 are buyers, but not the Ms. I guess so Steve but Ive seen toro for awhile and I mean, hes okay but nothing special. No they didnt lol. Brandon Gustafson looks at the Good, Bad and Ugly from the first 7 games. Thats all I got. Ok, the Ms traded a pending FA. He is legit. Astros made out like bandits by getting a great closer and were able to rid themselves of a prospect with no signs of progress. How is that supposed to help the team? It's also available for football, basketball and hockey. Im convinced all the pub about 22 year-old Jarred Kelenic is unwarranted, and in fact hurting him. Wong, 32, batted .251 this season and had a career-best 15 homers to go with 47 RBIs and 17 . The Milwaukee Brewers signed first baseman Luke Voit to a one-year contract with a club option for 2024, the team announced, according to Adam McCalvy of MLB.com.Financial terms of the agreement are not yet known.Voit originally joined Milwaukee on a minor-league contract in February, several months after being non-tendered by the Washington Nationals. The clubhouse is going to be hot. Thanks Jerry! Always trading off the few decent players they developed for more youngsters that were gonna be real, real good.in just a few years.just you watch! Subscribe to Stathead Baseball: Get your first month FREEYour All-Access Ticket to the Baseball Reference Database. Montero looks like junk. Graveman is a rental, but he upgrades their bullpen for this season. Good Stretch - Batted .400 (10x25) with 4 doubles and 6 RBI over six-game stretch from Sept. 4-10. Im assuming Dipoto just overvalued Toro and thinks Joe Smith can bounce back and put up graveman stats. Click on the different category headings to find out more and change our default settings. While the NBA continues to blow away MLB, NHL, and even the PGA in viewership every year. Toro, who turns 26 next month, was a key to the deal from Milwaukee's perspective, since he has experience at both second base and . Cant hate on 4 years of extra control. Graveman for that really Jerry, your team is in contention and you trade your most dominant bullpen arm for a 2and baseman that is not much of a upgrade for what you have already. Even if they were to flip Toro in part of a package for someone better, this deal makes the much hated Houston Astros, better. in Longueuil, Canada They previously fetched outfielder Teoscar Hernndez from the Toronto Blue Jays as part of a three-player swap that also included reliever Erik Swanson. Munoz indeed is going to be a very fun watch that many fans have totally forgot about in Seattle next year. Toro though liked him. Toro was sent to AAA for opening day because the front office wanted him to play every day, because they saw him as a future big leaguer that still needed some experience and development. Wow, not only did he just give away our best relief pitcher he gave away the leader of the bullpen. Abraham Toro was born on 20 December, 1996 in Longueuil, Canada, is a Canadian baseball player. Even so, he should provide the Mariners with good defense, baserunner, and some quality hitting against right-handed pitchers. What they dont need is more lottery tickets. Brewers' Abraham Toro: Inks one-year deal. January 22, 2019: These cookies are necessary for the website to function and cannot be switched off in our systems. Typical Mariners type transaction. Graveman was a scrap heap reliever that they signed for 2/2.75. God I can hear the prayer in the background. Voit, who opted out of his minor-league contract over the weekend, had a solid spring training . The young mans 22 and over his head at the ML level. All logos are the trademark & property of their owners and not Sports Reference LLC. Our second base position is statistically the WORST in baseball next to Baltimores. Such is the fast-paced life in the Majors, but it's hardly an inconvenience for the 24-year-old infielder, who has been brimming since a July 27 trade that brought him to the Mariners-- and for good reason, beyond his naturally positive-outlooking personality.Toro entered Saturday's game against his former teammates hitting .309/.398/.481 (.879 OPS) and had reached base in all but one of . It never changes., He hasnt come down here, a player said of Dipoto. Its really very obvious. This most likely not change his fortune. Toro, meanwhile, started his Mariners career off with a bang, hitting a pinch-hit home run in the ninth inning of the series second game to get Seattle within two runs. Agead of their game against the St. Louis Cardinals, the Seattle Mariners revealed some important injury updates for three important players. You gave me a nice laugh with that line. Some high school data is courtesy David McWater. I agree 100%. 3B Abraham Toro assigned to Buies Creek Astros from Quad Cities River Bandits. So far so good for those two in their Mariners careers. All rights reserved. Football. He made his major league debut that night versus the Detroit Tigers, playing third base. These cookies may be set through our site by our advertising partners. Especially the Bullpen. You clearly havnt watched the Ms this year I used to support JD, but not after this. Same goes to Straw and McCormick, the Astros cannot keep both so trading Toro and Straw/McCormick is painless. He was rated as a 45+ 3rd base prospect which would have slotted in as about the Mariners #5 prospect pretty much equivalent to Emerson Hancock (generally thought of as an untouchable player for us). I guess As fans are really happy to see Seattle tearing down instead of contending. Search. I guess its possible Graveman would have been resigned, but in todays market, who knows how much that would cost the Ms with other holes to fill this offseason. They certainly accomplished that in this deal. They arent? Are you a brand looking to get in contact with an athletes agent or manager? Graveman could still collect six more stray games finished to reach his first of three would-be $500K bonuses tied to games finished, but its unlikely he reaches the 30 and 40 games finished needed to unlock the next pair of $500K bonuses. But with Bergman due back and Alydms Diaz. Two dingers in two days in Mariners threads. Love the oddity, so rare today to have a challenge trade let alone in the Division with 2 teams battling for playoff spots ! Not to say that the NBA keeps it simple either, but MLB is hardly the standard for simple and straightforward transactions and contracts. Houston Astros recalled 3B Abraham Toro from Sugar Land Skeeters. How much did they pay you under the table to lose?Why would the owners allow this?!! The narrative will be that Jerry is still rebuilding so hes looking at the long-term picture. Hit Streak - Recorded career-long 10 game hit streak from Aug. 18-28batted .326 (14x43) with 1 double and 4 RBI. . They have a good deep pen. The players were pissed their veteran closer got traded to a divisional rival for a prospect in the middle of a playoff race while theyre playing a series against them. If Toro does well, the Mariners got their 3rd basemen of the future. January 22, 2019: the official stats partner of the NBA, NHL and MLB. WTF were you thinking? Smith is washed up. Watch this space, lol. Leftover salaries from players who have been traded or released, or buyouts for declined options. Im not sure Seattle did, although time will tell. After the trade: Anyone know if the Farhan Zaidi plans on making any moves? I hope youre right as I tend to be on the longterm outlook of deals and I dont like this one at all. I was hoping the Astros would get him but that was when the Mariners were struggling. You received two months of graveman and a seven era guy for a seven era guy and what was a top 5 prospect In The Houston system. Diaz is a better hitter and can play IF + OF. Mariners definitely didnt win this trade. CBS Sports is a registered trademark of CBS Broadcasting Inc. Commissioner.com is a registered trademark of CBS Interactive Inc. site: media | arena: mlb | pageType: stories | Anderson now slides into the five-man rotation along with Kikuchi, Flexen, Gonzales and Gilbert, and while it hasnt been determined when exactly hell make his Mariners debut, manager Scott Servais said the southpaw will start one of Seattles games in Texas against the Rangers this weekend. Do you have a blog? Dating back to his shift to the bullpen in 2020, hes compiled 43 innings of 1.47 ERA ball. The night before he HRs for Houston against the Ms. Left shoulder sprain. I doubt if DiPoto is done.look for relievers headed to Seattle for prospects. Theyre not basically calling them bums indirectly lmao, I dont really see how this helps the Ms. Toro is a solid B prospect. Toro goes in a package to Washington for trey turner, In other news Trey Turner just got tooken out the game, is this Jerry,s next move, 6th grade was the best 5 years of my life. Maybe Toro becomes something, but he looks like a AAAA player and his defense at 3rd has been questionable at times. I feel Jerry has put the perfect slow burn to this roster to date, do his other gears still function as well, IDK. lmao that Kelenic and Soto comparison is one of the most nonsensical things Ive ever read on the internet. Extremely underrated until this season well he was injured too. I dont follow them closely, but this just doesnt make a lot of sense. I get trading a rental even if its your closer. Our bullpen is stocked to the brim and we have two excellent pitchers joining us next year in Ken Giles and Andres Munz. I dont think SEA fans care about run differential or playoff odds. You dont make your contending team better by trading your closer and clubhouse leaderand he went to a rival who could end up eliminatingthem from postseason play if they were to get in. Giving up your closer for a guy who is a .193 hitter is making the team better THIS YEAR? I liked Dipoto until he did this. 6:02 pm ET, Braves vs. Mets odds, picks, computer sims, Phillies star Harper could make return this week, White Sox snap 10-game skid with wild comeback vs. Rays, Phillies vs. Astros odds, picks, predictions, best bets, Longtime Cards broadcaster Shannon dies at 83, Mariners acquire Kolten Wong from Brewers, What to know about Juan Soto's slow start, White Sox pull Luis Robert for not hustling vs. Rays, Padres, Giants tie record as 10 players homer in Mexico, Rangers' deGrom lands on IL with elbow inflammation, Yankees slugger Aaron Judge has mild hip strain. The trade is even more eye-opening when considering that the two clubs are gearing up to play each other in the second game of a three-game set tonight. . The most comprehensive sports salary database. . $8 million contract. I even like the player tje received. Theres no chance our return is an underwhelming Toro for arguably the top non-Kimbrel bullpen arm traded at the deadline. Because we respect your right to privacy, you can choose not to allow some types of cookies. Seems like they just did their division rivals a favor. Graveman is good, but has also been lit up at times. Toro is a young, talented player. If you do not allow these cookies, you will experience less targeted advertising. It's up to the Brewers now to get the most from him -- perhaps as part of a timeshare that sees him platoon with rookie infielder Brice Turang at the keystone. Graveman is a rental Toro is more of a utility player (so far) but is a switch hitter and controllable for like 4 more years so i can see why hed be desirable. Anderson, 31, is 5-8 with a 4.35 ERA in 18 starts (103 1/3 innings). Hence.this trade. Can we say Team control is the reason this happens. Pissed off right now.but realize theres a bigger picture. You cant judge Dipoto on this Graveman- Toro deal alone. And as for Kelenic v Soto.. Well, thats just ridiculous. Toro is a legit prospect. No, I did not. But after last nights game felt for Houston something would be coming. Abraham Toro Contracts. Who knows what else is in store (Please let there be more). Riiight because Graveman cant potentially be a key cog in a deep playoff run for the Astros? Some of that has been attributable to a sky-high .413 batting average on balls in play, but Smith is sporting a career-low strikeout rate, a grounder rate thats well off his peak levels and has also been quite homer-prone. Thats understandable on Seattles end, given just how dominant Graveman has become since transitioning to the bullpen late in the 2020 season. Houston Astros activated 3B Abraham Toro. You can set your browser to block or alert you about these cookies, but some parts of the site will not then work. Jul 28, 2021, 5:36 PM | Updated: 6:01 pm, Abraham Toro homered in each of his first two games for the Mariners. Milwaukee Brewers traded 2B Kolten Wong and cash to Seattle Mariners for LF Jesse Winker and 3B Abraham Toro. In those four games against Oakland, Mariners starters allowed 10 earned runs in 19 2/3 innings (4.58 ERA). Was named the Astros Minor League Player of the Year and made his Major League debut with the Astros in August as part of a breakout season that saw him advance from Double A to the Majorsmade 20 starts for the Astros in August and September (all at third base), with the Astros going 14-6 in those gamesbegan the season at Double A Corpus Christi following his first appearance at Major League Spring Training camp was promoted to Triple A Round Rock on Aug. 1was selected to the Major League roster on Aug. 22made his MLB debut in a start at third base on Aug. 22 vs. LAA, going 0x4became the fourth Canadian-born player to make his MLB debut with the Astrosalso RHP Jason Green (2000), RHP Gordi Pladson (1979) and OF Terry Puhl (1977)became the eighth Canadian-born player to appear in a game for Houston, and the first since LHP Erik Bedard in 2013was the first position player to appear in a game for the Astros since OF Terry Puhl (1977-80)recorded his first Major League hit on Aug. 23 vs. LAA as part of a 2x4 gameposted his first-career RBI on Aug. 25 vs. LAAwent 1x2 with three walks and his first-career Major League home run on Aug. 29 vs. TBjoined OF Terry Puhl as the only Canadian-born players in Astros history to hit a home runbecame the youngest Canadian-born player all-time with three walks and a home run in a single game, surpassing Russell Martin, who did so at 25 years of age on April 30, 2008 for the Dodgershit a two-out, two-run homer in the 9th inning off Jays closer RHP Ken Giles on Sept. 1 at TOR, snapping a 0-0 scoreless tie in what became RHP Justin Verlander's third-career no-hitterwas inserted into the starting lineup after Yuli Gurriel was scratched pregame with a left elbow contusion also made the final out of the no-hitter, a 5-3 putoutbecame the fifth Canadian-born player in MLB history to hit two home runs over his first eight MLB gamesalso Danny Klassen (3), Joey Votto, Brett Lawrie and Dave McKayin 114 minor league games between Triple A Round Rock (16g) and Double A Corpus Christi (98g), hit .324 with 31 doubles, 4 triples, 17 homers, 80 RBI and a .938 OPS (.411 OBP/.527 SLG)was a Double A Texas League Midseason and Postseason All-Star after batting .306 with 16 home runs and a .906 OPS (.393 OBP/.513 SLG) in 98 games with the Hookshit .424 in limited action at Triple A (16 games)during his 16 games at Triple A, ranked among the top-three Pacific Coast League hitters in hits (28), batting average and OBP (.506)was named the Texas League Player of the Week for the week of May 6-12hit .381 with two homers and eight RBI in six games during the weekled the Texas League in OPS and OBP while ranking second in batting average and slugging percentagerecorded five hits on Aug. 8 while playing for Triple A Round Rock. 2. a young infielder, controllable for many years, who was as high as #5 in Astros prospect list and was ranked as a Tier 2 Prospect (Above-average chance of being a solid big-leaguer) by Prospects 1500. This immediately makes us a better team, now we have an 8th inning guy to set up Pressly. . Like believing the overhyped Angels will ever have pitching to make the postseason? brought Kendall Graveman to Houston for reliever Joe Smith and utilityman Abraham Toro. The Mariners have already shown real results with prospects in the majors. But maybe Im wrong. I think its smart by Dipoto. Why would they trade a good cheap closer for a more expensive good closer, Club control beyond this year n hes a dominant closer, I dont understand this deal at all for the Ms. While there may be some sting at the loss of Graveman for Mariners fans, the young Toro is certainly making a good first impression. Wong, 32, is a two-time Gold Glove Award winner who hit for a 118 OPS+ in 2022. I know this is a bitter pill to swallow, it is, but we must believe in the process. MrAngelFans comment aged pretty wella whole two hoursLMAO. The other two relievers ara a part of the transaction but who knows!? Maybe he can blossom into their everyday third baseman after Seager leaves. the contract will likely top out paying him somewhere in the range of $2.65MM based on incentives tied to days on the roster . They arent a better team today than yesterday, but . Teoscar was a much more well regarded prospect than Toro. Positions: We present them here for purely educational purposes. I think hes clearly better than his numbers show. I think this moves means he is gone before Friday. auslab pathology nsw, patron saint of perseverance female, justin and allison raleigh nc from fat chance,